my guest tonight james dale took on the scouts in a case that went to the supreme court which in 2000 decided the boy scouts were allowed to refuse gays including dale himself. also with me tonight nbc's pete williams who broke this story earlier this week. welcome to both of you. pete, what's the latest? is this is a done deal? >> seems like it. people we talk to that both support and oppose this move who have been briefed by the scouts and scouting insiders all tell us they strongly expect it will pass when the board meets in texas next week to talk about this. what it would do, michael, is remove the long-standing national membership requirements. it could leave it up to individual organizations to decide for themselves. some may well say we want to admit them. some may say they don't. and the scouting organization says parents and sponsored could decide for themselves which one they want to send their children to. it has support within the board, they say, and they strongly expect it will pass. >> james dale, is that enough for you? >> thank you. it's a great first step, but i don